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dtmmil |
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Posts: 16 (06/09/08 15:41:54) |
Any of you running mikunis on your xs650? My brother has a set on my moms chop, and they are having a hell of a time getting them jetted right. Right now they
have 130 mains, and the pilots say 15 on them, I don't know but he said the carbs were special for some reason, not just plain mikunis. He also has pod
filters and drag pipes. They seem to be running very rich, but he says that he needs different needles that are like $60 or something. Can anyone tell me what
the float height should be on these also.
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Posts: 123 (06/09/08 17:05:34) |
...those are the stock carbs right? I'm running the same setup (pods/straight pipes) with the newer carbs (B34s). Read this
http://www.mikesxs.net/tech_tips.html and this: http://xs650temp.proboards29.com/index.cgi?board=carbfaq&action=display&thread=731 This will get you
started. I would go with maybe only one or two sizes larger than what stock would be, then read the plugs from there...
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Posts: 17 (06/09/08 18:07:48) |
Hey man thanks for the reply. No they are not the stock carbs, he bought them from, I wonder if it wasn't mikesxs, not sure though. I know he spent good
money on them though. When he got them they had like 200 something jets in them, and he is down to 130s. I am not sure if he is to sure on what he is doing or
what he has for carbs. He says they are VM 34 carbs. They look like the ones I had on my snowmobile, well almost. The two carbs each are completely seperate
from each other, not on a rack. Single cable going into the cap for the slides. They each have their own choke also. I will take a look at Mikes site and see
if I can see anything there.
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Posts: 124 (06/10/08 06:44:13) |
...OH, here is a thread on the VM34 carbs...
http://xs650temp.proboards29.com/index.cgi?board=carbfaq&action=display&thread=730
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Posts: 18 (06/10/08 11:56:42) |
thanks, but it says I need to be a member to check it out? |
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Posts: 125 (06/10/08 12:49:30) |
VM34/VM36 AFTERMARKET CARBURETORS
Mounting
Post 2. Initial Setup.
one slide and a finger against the other and turning the throttle until the slack is taken up. You should feel slight movement in the slides
as the cables tension. Turn the adjustors until both slides respond at exactly the same time. Once the engine is running, I prefer to follow up with a
manometer.
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LumbeeNDN |
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Posts: 126 (06/10/08 12:51:16) |
Post 3. Tuning
Three rules of thumb should be followed. First: In working with midrange tuning, pay attention to mix screw position. If best idle's been achieved with the screw fairly tight--.75 turns or less--a fairly lean PJ is in place. If there's richness in the low midrange, try working with the needle position to lean it. If best idle's been achieved at a wide setting--1.5 turns out or more--the PJ is already fairly rich; that makes needle position, again, a good guess for correcting midrange leanness. Second: Setting the
needle clips in Position 1 (top groove, needle fully dropped) or Position 5 (bottom groove, needle fully raised) should be avoided. If balance between PJ size
and needle position can't be achieved without going to these extremes, try using the secondary effects of MJ changes to bring settings within the range of
Positions 2-4. Third: Make one change at a time, resetting mix screws after each change. Changes to neighboring components may be required, but don't
assume--test first!
For final main jet selection, the most accurate DIY procedure is to run a series of full throttle chops. Your first step is to go to www.strappe.com/plugs.html and print out Gordon Jennings' classic article on spark plug reading,
and deprogram yourself. In terms of main jet selection, "nice tan color" is irrelevant, meaningless, mythic, BS, the stuff of ancient misinformation
whose source has been reliably identified as Og the Cavewrench. The only significant piece of information about the MJ's you can get from a spark plug is
from the smoke ring deep at the insulator base where it meets the wall of the plug. As Jennings points out, a ring of soot .040" (1 mm.) thick from the
insulator base deposited at full throttle indicates mains rich enough for the safety of the engine. Pay close attention to what Jennings has to say about
reading the plugs for evidence of detonation (presence of aluminum) and adjusting ignition timing to prevent it.
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Posts: 19 (06/10/08 15:10:28) |
thanks a ton man!!!
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Posts: 127 (06/10/08 16:34:38) |
...slow day at work!!!
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